oh shit....i've stirred up a major hornet's nest on the gayindy list...i suppose i was a bit grumpier than i shoulda been when i posted my reply to wally's message, so i was a bit more hateful than i usually am, but i still don't think i'd take back anything i said...even though people on the list have voiced angry messages, i've gotten messages off-list thanking me for what i said...